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yanishy:

so like, if you get those goldfish that need a 100 gal (feeder fish, common goldfish, koi, comets, whatever), could you get a 10 gal for them as babies and then upgrade them when they get bigger and bigger until they’re ready to be put into a pond? 

i’m not thinking about getting goldfish but i am curious if this is right or you really just have to put them in a pond

Theoretically *yes* but it can become cost prohibitive, unless you’re really planning on investing a lot of time and energy into multiple tank setups.

For example, my quarantine tank (really, its just a rubbermaid tub with a filter) that I use for new goldfish is only about ten gallons, but all of my goldfish have been pretty small when I got them, and since its a quarantine tank I’m closely monitoring the status of the tank anyway. But I couldn’t leave them in there for a long time.

Really 100 gallons for a single fish (bar like, koi,) is probably a bit of an exaggeration, but you’re still looking about double the space of a fancy. So.. probably 40 minimum, which is still really impractical if you want to keep multiple fish indoors (because shit that adds up fast, four fish would be well over a hundred gallons.)

Koi really do probably need that much - they can be tank busters (getting a couple *feet* long) and keeping them in anything but a pond is just really not advisable.

I agree it would not be cost effective at all. However you must first realize that koi and goldfish are two separate species of fish and do have different needs. Koi need around 1000gal per fish as adults, they get very very large, much larger than any goldfish will. I’d say a single tail as big as they get needs around 40gal as a minimum tank size (as in the footprint of space). If you’re housing multiple in a large tank or pond stocking is a bit more lenient because as long as the fish have appropriate space stocking then is determined by waste output, which directly correlates to weight.

After considering the overall space a fish needs weight should always be what determines how ‘stocked’ you are. Considering a fancy of the same total length (total length being the length of the fish from snout to the longer lobe of the caudal fin) can weigh 2-3 times more than a singe tailed variety of the same total length stocking for fancies should actually be equal to, if not greater than what is given to single tails. Fancies are also less maneuverable than single tailed varieties and prefer a wider tank which will make turning around easier as they grow larger.If you want to get into goldfish I would recommend starting with a 40 gallon and stocking it with two fancy goldfish. That will most likely house those two fish comfortably for their entire lives. Here are a few resources from my fish blog if you’re serious about goldfish:

Yeah I really could have gone more into koi details I suppose; they’re basically just really pretty carp, and the size shows it.

Look at the SIZE of these things! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CoOf3M8k2X8

One of these days, I’m going to catch a dollar/gallon tank sale somewhere and pick up a 20 or 30 gallon tank and set it up as a sulawesi tank.

And then populate it with rabbit snails. And maybe some small schooling sulawesi fish - though I get the feeling that those will be very hard to find and I may just have to go with some sort of small tetra that’s okay with a higher PH. Or maybe killifish

File this under things I want to do that won’t happen for a while. But seriously, I love rabbit snails and I need a tank full of them.

yanishy:

so like, if you get those goldfish that need a 100 gal (feeder fish, common goldfish, koi, comets, whatever), could you get a 10 gal for them as babies and then upgrade them when they get bigger and bigger until they’re ready to be put into a pond? 

i’m not thinking about getting goldfish but i am curious if this is right or you really just have to put them in a pond

Theoretically *yes* but it can become cost prohibitive, unless you’re really planning on investing a lot of time and energy into multiple tank setups.

For example, my quarantine tank (really, its just a rubbermaid tub with a filter) that I use for new goldfish is only about ten gallons, but all of my goldfish have been pretty small when I got them, and since its a quarantine tank I’m closely monitoring the status of the tank anyway. But I couldn’t leave them in there for a long time.

Really 100 gallons for a single fish (bar like, koi,) is probably a bit of an exaggeration, but you’re still looking about double the space of a fancy. So.. probably 40 minimum, which is still really impractical if you want to keep multiple fish indoors (because shit that adds up fast, four fish would be well over a hundred gallons.)

Koi really do probably need that much - they can be tank busters (getting a couple *feet* long) and keeping them in anything but a pond is just really not advisable.

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Anonymous asked:

Is this a side blog or a main blog? I mean can you answer my questions private?

This is a side blog, if you want private answers my main blog is lothlin.tumblr.com

But you’ll have to come off anon too :3

cheyenne256:

i hate when i try to make a cool post about my fish, then get random people reblogging it saying how ignorant and wrong i am for having them live together. like damn I’m not trying to open my own aquarium with top o’ the line ph levels and 24/7 maintenance. Someone tried telling me i need at least a 100 gallon for this .13 cent goldfish i have cus it’ll get bigger. stfu. if it does ill figure it out.
and my betas have been living together for more than 2 months. the female is not being harassed by the male. yes her fins have been nipped at from when i literally set this up to mate them CORRECTLY (which is normal mating behavior if its not too aggressive, but i maintained it fine), but she decided to not mate and live by him fine. He does not even flare anymore at her. he is the least of my worries.
the larger goldfish was not my IGNORANT fault and was won at a carnival by my little brother and i figured why not.. what was i supposed to do take it to the fishy humane society? not buying a 20 gal or larger sorry not my plan (which i physically don’t have room for) so sorry that its a cold water fish that usually lives in room temp anyway. Same with the beta. They live half their lives on a shelf at the pet store in ROOM TEMP water, and most the people that buy them use a small bowl and if a tank usually don’t care enough to use a heater or filter anyway like i do which only stays around 75 with at least some consideration for the goldfish. damn. chill the f out homies. 
i monitor them and realize your fishes are your life and all, but I’m a real person with some fish. I work at a pet store and have had plenty of animal experience and a tank in the past to realize what can be the least i can do to make them survive and be okay and not throw the goldfish away. I didn’t just go "hey all these fish will love each other and are the same needs.yes. ill throw them in at once. happy day." no.
if you want to come take my goldfish please. i am not worthy of them. i can’t afford a 100+ gal tank for them or a pond for the .13 cent feeder fish which you requested, so if you are so rightful enough be my guest. i am so terrible. i know I’m the only fish owner who has done this and has a tank that is for fun. i am sorry for being so ignorant. i am not worthy of these goldies. for i have sinned.

You could just… not tag your pics? Honestly you could probably just take the goldies to a fish store and they’d probably take them off your hands, and then have a screen prepped in case the betta start to go at each other to seperate them and… problem would be solved?Like yeah, I don’t know what you want people to say. ‘oh no, you’re fine, because you’re aware what you’re doing isn’t the best situation!’ nah really you know its not a good setup, own up and fix it yes?
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cheyenne256:

i hate when i try to make a cool post about my fish, then get random people reblogging it saying how ignorant and wrong i am for having them live together. like damn I’m not trying to open my own aquarium with top o’ the line ph levels and 24/7 maintenance. Someone tried telling me i need at least a 100 gallon for this .13 cent goldfish i have cus it’ll get bigger. stfu. if it does ill figure it out.

and my betas have been living together for more than 2 months. the female is not being harassed by the male. yes her fins have been nipped at from when i literally set this up to mate them CORRECTLY (which is normal mating behavior if its not too aggressive, but i maintained it fine), but she decided to not mate and live by him fine. He does not even flare anymore at her. he is the least of my worries.

the larger goldfish was not my IGNORANT fault and was won at a carnival by my little brother and i figured why not.. what was i supposed to do take it to the fishy humane society? not buying a 20 gal or larger sorry not my plan (which i physically don’t have room for) so sorry that its a cold water fish that usually lives in room temp anyway. Same with the beta. They live half their lives on a shelf at the pet store in ROOM TEMP water, and most the people that buy them use a small bowl and if a tank usually don’t care enough to use a heater or filter anyway like i do which only stays around 75 with at least some consideration for the goldfish. damn. chill the f out homies. 

i monitor them and realize your fishes are your life and all, but I’m a real person with some fish. I work at a pet store and have had plenty of animal experience and a tank in the past to realize what can be the least i can do to make them survive and be okay and not throw the goldfish away. I didn’t just go "hey all these fish will love each other and are the same needs.yes. ill throw them in at once. happy day." no.

if you want to come take my goldfish please. i am not worthy of them. i can’t afford a 100+ gal tank for them or a pond for the .13 cent feeder fish which you requested, so if you are so rightful enough be my guest. i am so terrible. i know I’m the only fish owner who has done this and has a tank that is for fun. i am sorry for being so ignorant. i am not worthy of these goldies. for i have sinned.

You could just… not tag your pics? Honestly you could probably just take the goldies to a fish store and they’d probably take them off your hands, and then have a screen prepped in case the betta start to go at each other to seperate them and… problem would be solved?

Like yeah, I don’t know what you want people to say. ‘oh no, you’re fine, because you’re aware what you’re doing isn’t the best situation!’ nah really you know its not a good setup, own up and fix it yes?


Anonymous

Anonymous asked:

I'm the fancy anon for scalesandtails. Thanks! It is definitely not unwanted opinion. I'll come to you if I have questions! I was thinking just a lionhead and something else I found cute.

I’m not an expert by any means, but I’ll certainly be happy to help if you need anything :3. You can always post in the goldfish tag too if you have questions, there’s several extremely helpful & knowledgeable blogs that pay attention to it - I also suggest checking out koko’s goldfish forum!

But as far as space considerations go, at least for fancys, there seem to be two schools of thought - 20 for the first fish and ten for subsequent ones, or 20 per fish.  Bigger the tank the looser you can get with this, but regardless, 37 is just about right. For example, I’ve got a 60 gallon with four fish in it currently, a ryukin, an oranda, and two telescope. So theoretically I could probably stick one more fish in there but for their health I’ll probably leave it at that.

Have you ever set up a goldfish tank before?

Anonymous

Anonymous asked:

Could I maybe put two fancy goldfish in a 37 gallon? I know it's supposed to be 30 and then +10 but I wasn't going to add anything else. Otherwise, could 1 fancy and a group of corys? The goldfish would be young and most likely panda corys.

askscalestails:

No goldfish, no. It’s just too small!

As for the guppys/corys, that would be fine if you added more guppys! They are social and should be in groups of 3+, keeping in mind to keep more females than males. Also remember that corys need schools of 6+!

nooo they meant fancy goldfish, not fancy guppies. Though a tank with guppies and corys sounds adorable :O

While (after a bit of research,) panda corys *are* one of the subspecies that would do okay at cooler temps (temp range is 16c to 28c and do well on the cool range,) goldfish tend to be very dirty fish and I fear that the corys wouldn’t do well in a tank with them. Plus, corys are going to limit your ability to do salt treatments on the tank - they’re sensitive to it. So if you do decide to put some in there, I’d have a quarantine tank available for the goldfish (rubbermaid tub with a filter works perfectly fine, stick to food safe ones.)

That said, 37 gallons could work for two fancies IMHO (rule of thumb is generally 20 gallons for the first fish and 10 for every subsequent fish, MINIMUM,) though I wouldn’t put more than two, and I would avoid larger fancy varieties like Ryukin, since you have to consider how big the fish are going to get (they grow pretty fast.) And plants (the hardy sort that can stand goldies, like anubias, crypts, and some swords,) can help keep the tank a *little* cleaner, but remember, they’re goldfish, so you’ll have to do lots of water changes.

Don’t mind me, just shoving my opinion in here looool

I’m currently resisting the urge to get into an argument over facebook with my local fish store over this tank. I’m seriously disappointed in them right now, they’re usually extremely good about advocating for appropriately sized tanks for fish, but for some reason betta fish are their blind spot. And they advertised that they were getting this and a *whole* betta fish lineup and I’m just like… ugh.

There’s no way its large enough. Even if its filtered, that thing isn’t going to sustain a proper cycle and I’d be surprised if there’s space for a heater. Nevermind that three betta being that close to one another all the time without a screen are going to be stressing each other out *constantly*

I just.. ugh. UGH. Like I don’t want to throw a fit on their page because that’s juvenile and I don’t want to give them a bad image to the public, but seriously. I hate seeing them spread misinformation like this :(

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